Also, 80 minute cdrs are readily available. The problems with these discs are that you have to have good hardware to both read and write them. Good cd burners and walkmen should be fine but the cheaper discmans won't recognize them. This, on some of these discmen, apply to all burnt cds so its not like it really matters. On the burner side, however, even my crappy pre-DAO recording Mitsumi drive has a firmware upgrade that allows these terrible drives to burn 80 mins.